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deficits. they both have a ltle problem with details. but there is a big, i would strike a big contrast if i was mitt romney. i would put a working state on one side and a welfare state on the other side and i would say america would be much, much better if dollars were earned instead of dollars awarded. it is time to stop rewarding our friends and punishing our enemies and having the government treat every american the same, which is a foundational principal of the rule of law. and i think mitt romney has to do more of that. has he been specific with his plan? he laid five out in the debate, which is more than the president did. that's why independents thought mitt romney did very, very well. >> let me ask you about one of the issues where they differ, medicare. that is a big deal in florida romney says he supports vouchers for medicare, a plan that is not very popular. how does play in florida with all those seniors? >> right now in florida, you've got about 12 million registered voters. 36%
deficits. they both have a ltle problem with details. but there is a big, i would strike a big contrast if i was mitt romney. i would put a working state on one side and a welfare state on the other side and i would say america would be much, much better if dollars were earned instead of dollars awarded. it is time to stop rewarding our friends and punishing our enemies and having the government treat every american the same, which is a foundational principal of the rule of law. and i think...
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is actually the deficit is even going up so they're not doing what they estimated they wanted the budget to be so. and we also have the fed cheerleading that just you know think about that for a second with the fed really be pressing congress this way if the economy was was a lot stronger so no there's economic weakness everywhere it shows up in the participation rate it shows up in the fed sure lading as lee jones of in bed found it which i think we talked about any i.m.f. is way off the mark here they're going to be lowering these for gas prices i love that the headline is that the i.m.f. downgrades forgot to say these are still far too rosy we just have a minute but no one nation that the i.m.f. upgraded with the u.s. and as you said you think the u.s. is in recession we talked about that before others i talk to you think a u.s. recession is bacon a cake so what gives with i.m.f. related to every priority war of them every party so there you go late every party but make you are very much here for the party i really appreciate you being on this . show and expounding upon all of this fr
is actually the deficit is even going up so they're not doing what they estimated they wanted the budget to be so. and we also have the fed cheerleading that just you know think about that for a second with the fed really be pressing congress this way if the economy was was a lot stronger so no there's economic weakness everywhere it shows up in the participation rate it shows up in the fed sure lading as lee jones of in bed found it which i think we talked about any i.m.f. is way off the mark...
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. >> if it's true it's not going to add to the deficit, that leaves only one option, and that's asking middle class families to foot the bill. >> the president's charge of a $5 trillion tax cut is obviously inaccurate and wrong. >> reporter: romney also in ohio mocked the obama campaign's latest ad mocking his plan to cut funding for pbs. >> big bird. big bird. big bird. he's focused on saving big bird is kind of a strange thing in my view because, you see, i'm focused on helping the american people get good jobs. >> reporter: sesame street's now asked the obama campaign to pull the big bird ad, yet there are weightier questions here as congress looks into whether the u.s. was warned of the deadly libya attack. >> twice in the six-month lead-up you had bombings at our compound there in benghazi and it's 9/11 in libya. what other warnings do you need? >> reporter: warnings of trouble now for president obama romney's closing the gap. the latest poll, reuters has them tied, gallup has romney up by 2, pew has him up by 4. it's not just ohio which you mentioned earlier. new polls now in pen
. >> if it's true it's not going to add to the deficit, that leaves only one option, and that's asking middle class families to foot the bill. >> the president's charge of a $5 trillion tax cut is obviously inaccurate and wrong. >> reporter: romney also in ohio mocked the obama campaign's latest ad mocking his plan to cut funding for pbs. >> big bird. big bird. big bird. he's focused on saving big bird is kind of a strange thing in my view because, you see, i'm focused...
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i will not put in place a deficit thdea tax that adds to the deficit. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. >> we want to look at the facts here, again. mitt romney has not laid out specifics for how he would pay for his tax cut. he says it's by reducing deductions and closing loopholes, but he hasn't said which or how many. so, the verdict here is simply incomplete. we just don't know. >> that was john burrman reporting there for us. one way, though, is that romney has said that he would actually pay for this reduced revenue is by capping itemized deductions, but still so few specifics. i mean, he floated the idea of capping deductions at 17,000 and then floated the idea of capping them at 25,000 or 50,000. don't voters deserve to know and need to know what it is going to be at this point? >> i think he's going to have to give more specifics, certainly. a debate may not be the best platform to give specifics because the answers are supposed to be short and, frankly, randi, he was able to get away with not giving many
i will not put in place a deficit thdea tax that adds to the deficit. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. >> we want to look at the facts here, again. mitt romney has not laid out specifics for how he would pay for his tax cut. he says it's by reducing deductions and closing loopholes, but he hasn't said which or how many. so, the verdict here is simply incomplete. we just don't know. >> that was john burrman reporting there for us. one way,...
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social security hasn't contributed one nickel to the deficit, can pay out benefits for the next 20 years. the president should be saying now what he said four years ago. he is not going to cut social security while romney and ryan certainly are. >> would you blame the president himself or his aides and advisers who were supposedly preparing him for this first debate? >> wolf, all of us in public life like to blame our staff when things go bad, but you know what, at the end of the day, it's the president, it's a united states senator, it's a congress person. we've got to take responsibility. the president should have got in there swinging, differentiating what a progressive policy position is as opposed to an extreme right wing one. put romney on the defensive. how dire you give tax breaks to the richest people in this country while we have the most unfair distribution of wealth and income. how dare you throw children off of medicaid when we've got 50 million people without any health insurance today. put him on the defensive instead of saying oh, i agree with you on this. i agree with yo
social security hasn't contributed one nickel to the deficit, can pay out benefits for the next 20 years. the president should be saying now what he said four years ago. he is not going to cut social security while romney and ryan certainly are. >> would you blame the president himself or his aides and advisers who were supposedly preparing him for this first debate? >> wolf, all of us in public life like to blame our staff when things go bad, but you know what, at the end of the...
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he said he was going to cut the deficit in half. that is trust. if a politician changes his position on issues do you see it as a cynical exercise? >> no. listen, i hear what you are saying. i think it is possible to learn things about legislation and determine things as you go through lift and you can change your mind. yes, i think that is possible. but what i don't think is possible is for a president to made grandious promises knowing the condition of where we were headed saying that he would fix this economy not even coming close to his promises, that is different. i would say this is a record of makes and breaking promises. and that is why you can't stand in front of a debate moderator for 90 minutes and make the case for the people. he didn't have a bat night, he is not capable of bringing a game. >> thank you for joining me. here now with the other side is debby. doesn't he have no game? >> well, you know, it is not surprising that my counter part is being critical of president obama when he's got his own candidate as you said this isn't et
he said he was going to cut the deficit in half. that is trust. if a politician changes his position on issues do you see it as a cynical exercise? >> no. listen, i hear what you are saying. i think it is possible to learn things about legislation and determine things as you go through lift and you can change your mind. yes, i think that is possible. but what i don't think is possible is for a president to made grandious promises knowing the condition of where we were headed saying that...
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my plan is not to put in any tax cut that will effect the deficit. i will bring down the deductions and taxes at the same time so the revenue stays in. >> cenk: yeah, yeah, that sounds good. you're going to do a 20% tax cut across the board. then a 2 trillion-dollar increase in the defense budget. then you're going to keep most of the popular deductions. and then you're going to balance the budget. and then you're going to give everybody a free unicorn! that's not how it works mitt! you're lying! there is no 5 trillion-dollar in deductions that you take away from just the rich. that's preposterous. and i'm not going to let you get away with it. one wonders how long i will keep this 2 x 4 that is actually not a 2 x 4 on my shoulder, but we move forward. he says, well, before i go on to the next clip, did you know that 50% of mitt romney's benefits in his tax cuts go to the top 5%. mitt, that's who you're for. you're for the top 5%. you give them half of the tax cuts and they're 5 trillion-dollar, you're going to give $2.5 trillion to the top 5%. that'
my plan is not to put in any tax cut that will effect the deficit. i will bring down the deductions and taxes at the same time so the revenue stays in. >> cenk: yeah, yeah, that sounds good. you're going to do a 20% tax cut across the board. then a 2 trillion-dollar increase in the defense budget. then you're going to keep most of the popular deductions. and then you're going to balance the budget. and then you're going to give everybody a free unicorn! that's not how it works mitt!...
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i'm going to get rid of the deficit, give you tax breaks, without talking about anything specific except, of course, big bird. >> yeah. and what -- it's important to note, you are a master of parody and comedy, the form as it were. sesame workshop has responded to big bird ad. >> official response. >> this qualifies as breaking news. >> i always knew snuff love gus was a republican but -- >> how dare you claim not to be liberals with all your brainwashing. i know how to count because of sesame street because they brainwash. >> let's not denigrate the importance of sesame street to early childhood education and the role it plans. to john's point, this is kind of -- we have serious issues at hand. >> exactly. >> and the chock is ticking. >> feel like i want to bring in mr. rogers and talk about my feel approximationp we should be talking about education and infrastructure, it is a tiny number but representative of something larger. >> two things to say about this ad, only one good thing, it's not running in any battleground states, only cable bait, and the bad thing to say about it is, it
i'm going to get rid of the deficit, give you tax breaks, without talking about anything specific except, of course, big bird. >> yeah. and what -- it's important to note, you are a master of parody and comedy, the form as it were. sesame workshop has responded to big bird ad. >> official response. >> this qualifies as breaking news. >> i always knew snuff love gus was a republican but -- >> how dare you claim not to be liberals with all your brainwashing. i know...
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getting the biggest macro-approach in history and driving rates up across southern europe and budget deficits that are getting worse and worse. i don't see where mitt romney's argument has traction. it seems to me that the stimulus of the policy, traditional economics that barack obama has followed it seems to be working. neil, what am i missing here? >> romney has a point. things could be better. i don't know if they could have been made better, and that stimulus should have been bigger and if it has to do with the problems in the houseing market. there is a big target on the back of obama because of failed housing. there are not that many new arguments that romney can hang his hat on but that's an area that we have not seen exploited. >> i think you're right. if there has been one enormous failure policy, it's the mortgage and the number of homeowners who are underwater, meaning that their they owe more than the value of their house. mitt romney does not talk about that because his answer is none existent. >> you have these made up controversies because they're so close on many of the issue
getting the biggest macro-approach in history and driving rates up across southern europe and budget deficits that are getting worse and worse. i don't see where mitt romney's argument has traction. it seems to me that the stimulus of the policy, traditional economics that barack obama has followed it seems to be working. neil, what am i missing here? >> romney has a point. things could be better. i don't know if they could have been made better, and that stimulus should have been bigger...
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number 1, the president's plan to cut the deficit by $4 trillion, that he would return america to tax rates under clinton that the obama medicare says romney's medicare plan would cost $6 million. you can see the whole list here >> sean: you say none of this is true? >> what is amazing, first of all, know only did he do a lousy job in the debate, they threw upon the miserable experience for them, a whole mountain of lies on the american people. they woke up the next day and said, wow, not only did we did a bad job, we lied the whole way through, so we are going on call mitt romney a liar. here's the plan. let's call them a bunch of liars to try to inoculate that problem. this is their tactic-- >>> have you to understand -- >> we know that's the case. >> sean: that's all they had left after this horrific showing by the president. you know, remember, mitt romney's the guy who killed this worker's wife. mitt romney's the guy who never paid taxes. mitt romney wants dirty air and water. paul ryan upons to throw granny over the cliff. they don't care about kids with down's syndrome. the lie
number 1, the president's plan to cut the deficit by $4 trillion, that he would return america to tax rates under clinton that the obama medicare says romney's medicare plan would cost $6 million. you can see the whole list here >> sean: you say none of this is true? >> what is amazing, first of all, know only did he do a lousy job in the debate, they threw upon the miserable experience for them, a whole mountain of lies on the american people. they woke up the next day and said,...
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balance is we have to get romney to bigger deficits. they do not take them and they just received really must get the point across about how it affects him. we love hearing from you. send me an e-mail and gerri@foxbussiness.com. finally, helping the homeless. it has been a growing problem for decades. the big apple has more than 46,000 homeless people in the city, 14% of the nation's homeless population. for some context, l.a. is second with just 3%. as a result, michael bloomberg has opened 10 new homeless shelters in recent months. chelsea and greenpoint. all of you non-new yorkers out there, residents are fuming, saying that these areas are now unsafe and dirty. bloomberg says it's the nature. with unemployment so high, these people need to go somewhere, but i do find it curious within the neighborhood that i mentioned so far, could it be because that is where mr. bloomberg lives? that is my "two cents more". coming up tomorrow, as vice president joe bide
balance is we have to get romney to bigger deficits. they do not take them and they just received really must get the point across about how it affects him. we love hearing from you. send me an e-mail and gerri@foxbussiness.com. finally, helping the homeless. it has been a growing problem for decades. the big apple has more than 46,000 homeless people in the city, 14% of the nation's homeless population. for some context, l.a. is second with just 3%. as a result, michael bloomberg has opened 10...
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governor romney says he will not increase the deficit with his tax cut, will not increase taxes on the middle class, so is he saying that if he cannot come up with enough loopholes and deductions, closing the deductions to pay for the tax cuts, which amount to about $5 trillion he will scale them back? >> what he has said, george, he is going to cut tax rates across the board by 20% and offset those cuts with eliminating deductions and loopholes for the upper income families. >> but there aren't enough deductions to pay for that. >> for the middle class families. you can pay for it. there are six studies that say you can do that. you can broaden the base and lower the rates. that would foster economic growth, and we've done that in the past. there's one study that says that you can -- that uses the word assume or assumption 68 times by liberal think tank and that's what gibbs and others point to. >> if it does turn out that the deductions do not make up for the cost of the tax cuts, does governor romney say he will scale back the tax cuts? >> what he has said is it's going to be -- he'
governor romney says he will not increase the deficit with his tax cut, will not increase taxes on the middle class, so is he saying that if he cannot come up with enough loopholes and deductions, closing the deductions to pay for the tax cuts, which amount to about $5 trillion he will scale them back? >> what he has said, george, he is going to cut tax rates across the board by 20% and offset those cuts with eliminating deductions and loopholes for the upper income families. >> but...
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as far as the tax plan, look, he has said he will not pass a tax plan that is not deficit neutral. he's been very clear about this. his principles are do not change or modify the share of taxes paid at the upper income level, reduce the tax burden on the middle income level, cut rates across the board, particularly so you can create a more welcoming environment for small businesses, reduce the tax burden on small businesses, which are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of employment in this country, and you can do a lot of this by generating growth, getting rid of deductions, getting rid of a lot of the credits, getting rid of a lot of the loopholes and that is the plan he will put forward to congress. >> here's the thing. dan, here's the thing. nobody disputes that he intends to do some of this. what we don't know is how he intends to do it, and the specifics and until we get that, i think barack obama is perfectly entitled at the next two debates to take him on it, say hang on, you're cutting taxes by $5 trillion but what are you actually going to do to make up the $5
as far as the tax plan, look, he has said he will not pass a tax plan that is not deficit neutral. he's been very clear about this. his principles are do not change or modify the share of taxes paid at the upper income level, reduce the tax burden on the middle income level, cut rates across the board, particularly so you can create a more welcoming environment for small businesses, reduce the tax burden on small businesses, which are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of employment...
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shows four points of movement in his national polling which puts obama from a narrow lead to a narrow deficit. effectively, though, this race is deadlocked. when we get to the swing states we will see that. >>gregg: people call this a bounce for romney. >> but a bounce does not last in >>pat: this could be the most significant debate in terms of impact other than reagan's debate against carter in affecting the race. debates usually do not move numbers. romney is getting real movement out of the debate. what it does and what has happened, romney's favorable rating has skyrocketed. we saw that among uncommitted voters in the cbs poll, after the debate, and we talked about this last week, 30 percent of the people say he cared about them, it doubled to 53 percent. he did what we suggested. by the way that is the important thing, changing the structure of the race. that now ahead it a real close race, not just in numbers but in context. >>gregg: in all of the attack ads over the last six months, $100 million has been spent by the obama campaign demonizing mitt romney and i think the public expecta
shows four points of movement in his national polling which puts obama from a narrow lead to a narrow deficit. effectively, though, this race is deadlocked. when we get to the swing states we will see that. >>gregg: people call this a bounce for romney. >> but a bounce does not last in >>pat: this could be the most significant debate in terms of impact other than reagan's debate against carter in affecting the race. debates usually do not move numbers. romney is getting real...
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you have a theory that you try and fix things in the economy, get a more efficient tax code, get the deficit down over time. that that will help you. when you give them truth serum, you're talk and you off the record, the disruption might be tough for the first few months. but they would argue that the longer term, since we're on the right track would be worth it. that's not an argument you see in the debates. it's not the way the argument gets framed. but that's the core ideological dispute in the election. >> on the other side that's been surprising is president obama, they don't talk about their big idea on the jobs. they don't talk about the jobs act. they didn't bring it up in the debates. why do you think that is? because that is a big responsive, a big idea on jobs here. >> there's a great new book called the "new new deal" about the stimulus that came out in 2009 and was almost $8 hundred billion saying it was a great success. it did a lot of things to help this recession from being worse. it's something that the president's political advisers, they do the polling. it does not resona
you have a theory that you try and fix things in the economy, get a more efficient tax code, get the deficit down over time. that that will help you. when you give them truth serum, you're talk and you off the record, the disruption might be tough for the first few months. but they would argue that the longer term, since we're on the right track would be worth it. that's not an argument you see in the debates. it's not the way the argument gets framed. but that's the core ideological dispute in...
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so it creates a type of deficit disorder. so reading something, you're looking, clicking through, moving on, having five screens open at once. and finally, it iseplacing real-life relationships and real-life communication skills. it reduces social intelligence and emotional intelligence, because you're just busy taking in information. >> but won't we adjust? i mean, humans adjust, as time progresses you will adjust to it. >> you will adjust to having more faulty real-life relationships, yes. >> i noticed people used to go to a coffee shop, or a bar, to hang out with people. now, people are chatting on line. is this a real thing? or are we just caught up in this addict society? or an addict nation? because everybody is addicted to something. >> you know it is a new substance to become addicted to. but people who are unable to self-regulate, and experience the withdrawals, it is a very real thing, don. >> so are there people who specialize in the behavior? >> anybody who experiences it can be treated, but look at your own famil
so it creates a type of deficit disorder. so reading something, you're looking, clicking through, moving on, having five screens open at once. and finally, it iseplacing real-life relationships and real-life communication skills. it reduces social intelligence and emotional intelligence, because you're just busy taking in information. >> but won't we adjust? i mean, humans adjust, as time progresses you will adjust to it. >> you will adjust to having more faulty real-life...
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the long island debate there will be a economic speech and talking about how to reduce the debt and deficit. his final speech will include his own criticism with the president. >> so much going on. on the road with the mitt romney campaign. critics say it is not enough to give hope that the country is rebounding. and the end of the year fast approaching there is a looming chris that could force our nation off of a fiscal cliff. combination of automatic spending cuts and experdition of tax cuts will force millions of americans to lose their jobs. neil cavuto is here to tell us why even though we a presidential election ahead. the fiscal cliff is bigger. >> it is certainly more immediate. this is an event that is coming. the question is are they going to do anything about it or not? both parties are waiting to see what will happen if their guy wins f. it the president wins and keeps the senate they will cobble together a deal to call for letting the income rate on the rich expire and so only their taxes go up . keep those other spending cuts in place. it is anyone's guess what president-elect
the long island debate there will be a economic speech and talking about how to reduce the debt and deficit. his final speech will include his own criticism with the president. >> so much going on. on the road with the mitt romney campaign. critics say it is not enough to give hope that the country is rebounding. and the end of the year fast approaching there is a looming chris that could force our nation off of a fiscal cliff. combination of automatic spending cuts and experdition of tax...
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you have all of these things and four straight trillion-dollar deficits. we are right back at the starting line on the economy. this is a failed president. there is no doubt about it. >> greta: the polls are out. some polls, right now, we are starting to see in postdebate polls that the impact of governor romney's win. it looks like governor romney is closing the gap in several swing states. according to a new rasmussen poll. in ohio, president obama is leading romney by 1 percentage point n. virginia, governor romney leads 49-48%. in florida, governor romney leads by 2 percentage points. 49-47. all three are in the markin of error, but they do show gains by governor romney. it appear hes got a bounce? >> he got somewhat of a bounce. this is like a great wave, greta it's vitally important, i think we are not going to see how far the wave rolls up the beach until the polls are taken postdeigate -- post-debate, especially in ohio, if he's tied then or ahead in ohio, after that, and virginia and florida, it is a brand-new ballgame. in ohio, i think that's the
you have all of these things and four straight trillion-dollar deficits. we are right back at the starting line on the economy. this is a failed president. there is no doubt about it. >> greta: the polls are out. some polls, right now, we are starting to see in postdebate polls that the impact of governor romney's win. it looks like governor romney is closing the gap in several swing states. according to a new rasmussen poll. in ohio, president obama is leading romney by 1 percentage...
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trillion, you're not going to tell us one loophole you'd close, you're not going to run up the deficit or taxes on the middle class. >> very quickly -- >> no, no. it goes back to bill clinton. >> there was a story out yesterday that that claim is fiction because you don't count the loophole closing. >> what loophole? >> he talked about mortgage interest. really quickly -- >> mortgage interest? >> he has never talked about mortgage interest. >> the hilarity that there is one -- >> we have one loophole. >> mike, finish, but then i want to get on to something else. >> the president says he wants to lower tax cuts to big corporations. how to pay for it? loopholes. what loopholes? nothing. we'll tell you after the election. you're attacking romney for the same thing. >> i want to talk about the gas prices. one thing that was striking, speaker gingrich, is what some were arguing about the actual numbers. jack welch made a lot of headlines with a tweet that said, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers without any substantiation.
trillion, you're not going to tell us one loophole you'd close, you're not going to run up the deficit or taxes on the middle class. >> very quickly -- >> no, no. it goes back to bill clinton. >> there was a story out yesterday that that claim is fiction because you don't count the loophole closing. >> what loophole? >> he talked about mortgage interest. really quickly -- >> mortgage interest? >> he has never talked about mortgage interest. >> the...
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in mitt's plan to cut funding to pbs, would be a drop in the bucket in terms of the deficit but would have a major impact on educational television in america. former reading rainbow host lavar burton will join me tonight. looking forward to that. share your thoughts with us on twitter and on facebook using the hash tag ed show. we're coming right back. interior design business. she's got a growing list of clients she keeps in touch with using e-mail marketing from constantcontact.com. constantcontact is easy and affordable. it lets her send out updates and photos that showcase her expertise and inspire her customers for only $15 a month. [ dog barking ] her dream -- to be the area's hottest interior design office. [ children laughing ] right now, she just dreams of an office. get a free trial at constantcontact.com. we might still be making mix tapes. find this. pause this. play this. eject this. write this. it's like the days before esurance express lane™. you had to find a bunch of documents just to get a car insurance quote. now express lane finds your driving info with just one
in mitt's plan to cut funding to pbs, would be a drop in the bucket in terms of the deficit but would have a major impact on educational television in america. former reading rainbow host lavar burton will join me tonight. looking forward to that. share your thoughts with us on twitter and on facebook using the hash tag ed show. we're coming right back. interior design business. she's got a growing list of clients she keeps in touch with using e-mail marketing from constantcontact.com....
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in mitt's plan to cut funding to pbs, would be a drop in the bucket in terms of the deficit but would have a major impact on educational television in america. former reading rainbow host lavar burton will join me tonight. looking forward to that. share your thoughts with us on twitter and on facebook using the hash tag ed show. we're coming right back. schoole world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higr level. let's develop more stars in education. let's invest in our teachers... ...so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. email marketing from constant contact reaches people in a place they're checking every day -- their inbox. and it gives you the tools to create custom emails that drive business. it's just one of the ways constant contact can help you grow your small business. sign up for your free trial today at constantcontact.com/try. >>> welcome back. thanks for watching tonight. good news for the country means republicans are
in mitt's plan to cut funding to pbs, would be a drop in the bucket in terms of the deficit but would have a major impact on educational television in america. former reading rainbow host lavar burton will join me tonight. looking forward to that. share your thoughts with us on twitter and on facebook using the hash tag ed show. we're coming right back. schoole world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their...
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you either explode the deficit. raise the middle class tax cuts, something has to give. >> something has to give and we just heard mike say that maybe the thing that gives is mortgage interest deductions. the single most important thing to middle class american families. and that's going to be and we'll get to this later. that's going to be a challenge for paul ryan. i think that what we have experiencing right now and we just said it, is that this sort of style over substance is, is, i don't think going to overtake this race. i think you have a president who was trying to move the facts out. was facing a guy who, who he hadn't seen before. either mitt romney is completely faking everything he said, or he is, is a liar. so -- either way. >> when you see the style over substance, it shouldn't matter. the truth is optics are important. >> look, style -- >> ask richard nixon, the president in 1960. >> i do think in fairness, it is fair for the american people, to want to see their president fight for them. and the bara
you either explode the deficit. raise the middle class tax cuts, something has to give. >> something has to give and we just heard mike say that maybe the thing that gives is mortgage interest deductions. the single most important thing to middle class american families. and that's going to be and we'll get to this later. that's going to be a challenge for paul ryan. i think that what we have experiencing right now and we just said it, is that this sort of style over substance is, is, i...